Question:
I just read this from the "complete herpes information center"
http://www.globalherbalsupplies.com/...reatments.html

"A treatment is considered to be successful if no new outbreaks occur within 3 years.

Although this virus appears hard to kill it can be done by several of the treatments mentioned above if the treatment is begun early enough. Once established the virus hides inside a host cell and is difficult for our immune system to recognize so early commencement of treatment is a determining factor in the success rate.

Although the virus may be destroyed in the early stages of infection, a person can become "re-infected", from a new or old sexual partner."

I'm confused by this. I know there's no cure for herpes.

But does this mean that if I had started taking something like Valtrex right after being infected I might have been able to kill it / diminish it? And since it's been a couple years since I was infected, I assume this means that the above statement does not apply to me?

I can't afford to take suppressive Valtrex therapy everyday... Because I have a minor case almost entirely fine without it. I just want to know that it's not worth it to start taking it more often...

sorry if this has been posted elsewhere.

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Although this virus appears hard to kill it can be done by several of the treatments mentioned above if the treatment is begun early enough. Once established the virus hides inside a host cell and is difficult for our immune system to recognize so early commencement of treatment is a determining factor in the success rate.

Although the virus may be destroyed in the early stages of infection, a person can become "re-infected", from a new or old sexual partner."

I'm confused by this. I know there's no cure for herpes.

But does this mean that if I had started taking something like Valtrex right after being infected I might have been able to kill it / diminish it? And since it's been a couple years since I was infected, I assume this means that the above statement does not apply to me? valtrex and the other main pharmaceutical antivirals do not destroy mature viral paricles; they only stop replication. therefore you are not actually "killing off" any viral particles at all by taking the medication. the medication is only designed to stop the virus from replicating itself (the cause of an outbreak).

yes, there are ways to kill mature viral particles, but the treatment must be on-time, every-time - and unrelenting.

the fact that you did not start a self-treatment program early in the game doesn't mean that you still can't reverse the infection over time.

make sure that the substance you choose is scientifically proven to destroy mature hsv viral particles before you begin your own program. and always check into possible toxicity issues.

definitely make sure to stay away from topicals. that's like trying to kill a weed by plucking the leaves.

check out the conversation between myself and yoshi2me in the "about my outbreaks" section, under "frequency of outbreaks". theres a pretty good discussion there that might give you some hints as to what i'm talking about.

i also wrote a post in this "treatment zone" called "butylated hydroytoluene" about my own travels along the very road you've become curious about.

good luck.

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Thanks for your reply and for all of your contributions to this forum. I've read your other posts regarding BHT and I've begun skimming the surface of my own research on the topic. What you have to say makes a lot of sense, and I want to better understand all aspects of this virus and potential treatments. Regarding BHT, of course, toxicity and any carcinogenic qualities is a major concern. I would be interested in reading more about your further research (if the offer from an earlier post is still open).

in support and with all my best.

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Thanks for your reply and for all of your contributions to this forum. I've read your other posts regarding BHT and I've begun skimming the surface of my own research on the topic. What you have to say makes a lot of sense, and I want to better understand all aspects of this virus and potential treatments. Regarding BHT, of course, toxicity and any carcinogenic qualities is a major concern. I would be interested in reading more about your further research (if the offer from an earlier post is still open).

in support and with all my best. no problem. i think we are all here to try to help each other, in the end.

toxicity and carcinogenicity were also major concerns of my own when i first began looking into the whole bht idea.

from my own research (and experience), you'll reach overdose level before you'll reach any issues with toxicity. exceeding 2000mg per day (for a 170lb man) can cause dizziness and disorientation.

oh, and yes, i have an abundance of links and references from the research that got me started. i will be happy to post them here in a day or two when i get more time.

in the mean time, here's a link that might be a good start for you.

http://www.delano.com/ReferenceArtic...l-Working.html

i am not a big fan of hypericin, but i am definitely a big fan of commentary that's backed up with substantial scientific data and research (see the bottom of the commentary).

anyway, again, i have got a boatload of info (i found mostly online at government or science websites). will sort out the relevent stuff and post here shortly.

to save you some research time - stay away from BHA. it's a known carcinogen.

oh and here's an interesting link on BHT and carcinogenicity-

http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050326/food.asp

here are some other tips that i picked up outside the scientific world -

don't buy the capsules -buy the powder - and pre-dissolve the crystals in olive oil or some other kind of edible oil - warm the oil just a little (not hot) to help the crystals dissolve - it assymilates into your bloodstream properly that way and it protects the lining of your stomach from undissolved crystals.

the proper dosage isn't the same for everyone. i started out at 250mg per day and found out that it wasn't going to be enough, went to 500mg, still wasn't enough, and finally ended up at 1000mg per day. but that was only 30 days after my primary outbreak, so maybe that's when the virus is at it's strongest, i don't know. all i know is that i had some prodromal warning signs that prompted me to increase dosage - and i haven't seen any sign of the virus on my skin since i began treatment 5 months ago.

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Hi,

Thanks for your message, I am interested too in finding out more about BHT please send the links. Are you experiencing any side effects? Has there been any adverse change in your liver tests?

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Hi,

Thanks for your message, I am interested too in finding out more about BHT please send the links. Are you experiencing any side effects? Has there been any adverse change in your liver tests? i haven't had any side effects, but i haven't exceeded the estimated safe levels for humans, either. all in all, i'd have to say it's rather amazing that i am ingesting 1000mg per day with zero side effects.

here's a link about the recommended human dosage -

Diet (in laboratory animals) containing 20 per cent. lard and 1000 ppm BHT has no effect on serum cholesterol and lipid levels, relative liver and other organ weights, liver lipids and growth rate.

Metabolic studies in man are desirable.

Evaluation

Level causing no toxicological effect

Rat. 1000 ppm in the diet, equivalent to 50 mg/kg
body-weight/day.

Estimate of acceptable daily intake for man

mg/kg body-weight1

Unconditional acceptance 0-0.5

Conditional acceptance 0.5-2

http://www.inchem.org/documents/jecf...o/40abcj07.htm


come to think of it; this entire website is an excellent resource-

http://www.inchem.org/

click on "search" and type "bht" in the search box.

this place is a collection of scientific studies from many different scientific organizations in many different countries.

bye the way, i haven't bothered with liver tests (since i don't have any conditions that would cause me to worry about liver function) - although i can imagine there must be a slight change in my liver function from taking this stuff.

but, as you can see from the conclusions in the above study; i am not exceeding the estimated acceptible daily intake, so no need to worry at all about liver change (according to the results of the study) - as long as i remain under the estimation of the study. well, actually, i am currently exceeding the conditional dosage by approx. 250mg per day, but i will be dropping down off that dosage and back into acceptable range again here within the next month or so.

anyway, will send over some more links in a separate post...

and, you can find your own information on the major search engines, as well. use the "bht" keyword in combination with other keywords like "herpes", "lipid", "virus", "viral", "particles", "protects", "destruction", "life", "erradicate", "ganglia"... use your imagination. it's all right there at your fingertips.

here's a cool variation on the "bht" keyword... try typing "2,6-di-tert-butyl-p-cresol" or "butylated hydroxytoluene" in the search engine, instead of "bht" ... they're the actual chemical names for the substance...

i tend to find better scientific results from using the chemical names on the search engines, instead of the acronym "bht"... you tend to get alot of people commenting on "bht" (often with ulterior motives), but usually only scientists or health organizations commenting using the proper names (the people who actually know what they're talking about).

oh, moving4ward... here's one i just found today on carcinogenicity. it's the national institutes of health website. thier search engine is also very useful on the subject matter. just go to http://www.nih.gov/

http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/index.cfm?o...3427E3D9734FD0

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Thanks for all this information. I have sent you a PM. By the way why do you use Olive oil to dilute BHT why not use coconut oil, see Layla's post on it. It seems to be working for a few people. Would love to have your thoughts.

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Thanks for all this information. I have sent you a PM. By the way why do you use Olive oil to dilute BHT why not use coconut oil, see Layla's post on it. It seems to be working for a few people. Would love to have your thoughts. no problem.

i replied to your pm. i hope it hit the right button and it got sent.

about the oil - BHT is fat soluable, so you can dissolve the crystals in any kind of substance that has fat content. shoot, you could even use lard if you wanted. :)

i personally prefer olive oil because it's a clear substance and i can tell if the crystals are dissolved yet or not... generally, i work out the math on my jar of solution so 4 tsp of oil has 1000mg of bht dissolved in it. but everyone's method is different.

i have a friend who is using flaxseed oil and another is using plain old vegetable oil... so, it doesn't really matter, but the main point is to make sure those crystals are completely dissolved before you put them in your stomach. so i would recommend an oil that you can actually see through.

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oh, and a new link every now and then is better than none... :)

the phenolic antioxidant butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) was studied in animals and has been determined to reduce the rate of tumor growth. It may be that the mechanism by which BHT exerts its anticarcinogenic activity involves the quenching of lipid-soluble radicals and ROS. Animals fed a high-fat diet and supplemented with BHT had a significant lengthening of the tumor latency period compared to animals not supplemented with BHT. As the dietary lipid level is reduced, so is the effect of BHT. At the lowest lipid level, the protective effect of BHT is almost nonexistent. This suggests that the exacerbative effect of increasing lipid levels on UV carcinogenesis, and presumably lipid peroxidation, are important parts of the carcinogenic process and that BHT is effective in blocking that process. In addition, the skin of animals not supplemented with BHT allows approximately 65 percent more UV light through the stratum corneum, which may also promote UV carcinogenesis.

http://www3.cancer.gov/prevention/frpca2003/summary.pdf