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Hello everyone....Last night I saw Joe Satriani and Eric Johnson live. I was looking at their pedal boards and wondering if they use the effects loops of their amps with all these stomp boxes or if the put them in from of the amp....anyone here use stomp box type effects in their tube amp's effects loop??? ....~Shawn
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Originally Posted by eyema_believer Hello everyone....Last night I saw Joe Satriani and Eric Johnson live. I was looking at their pedal boards and wondering if they use the effects loops of their amps with all these stomp boxes or if the put them in from of the amp....anyone here use stomp box type effects in there tube amp's effects loop??? ....~Shawn
I think delay is a good effect to put in the loop, especially when using overdrive. That way, instead of distorting the echoes, your echoing the already distorted notes... sounds better. I don't usually put my delay in the loop, because it takes extra cables, and I don't use a ton of drive anyway.
-Nick
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TIme-based effects like delays, reverbs, flanges, choruses, and like effects usually go best in the effects loop, unless attempting to get a specific effect by putting them before the amp (and amp distortion).
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This is a question I had wondered about. I have a tube amp, no effects loop, so by necessity all of mine go in front of the amp--delay, chorus, phaser all in front of amp but after compressor and distortion. What difference would it make in the final sound product if (assuming I had an effects loop) those three effects were in the loop instead of in front of the amp?
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Originally Posted by plawren53202 This is a question I had wondered about. I have a tube amp, no effects loop, so by necessity all of mine go in front of the amp--delay, chorus, phaser all in front of amp but after compressor and distortion. What difference would it make in the final sound product if (assuming I had an effects loop) those three effects were in the loop instead of in front of the amp?
A lot. My current amp has no effects loop, and with the delay in front, it sounds horrible.
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Not much if the amp isn't overdriven. If the amp is overdriven, then it would be the distorted guitar with a delay (in FX loop) vs. delayed guitar with distortion (before amp).
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I have never even relized what effect loops were for untill I started using my amp's Od. Now I can see how they would be usefull.
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Eric Johnson goes a step farther...all his echo effects (except his echoplex, though I don't think he's still using it) are post speaker. The speakers are miced, sent through a mixer, then sent out to different delays.
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Originally Posted by LWatford Eric Johnson goes a step farther...all his echo effects (except his echoplex, though I don't think he's still using it) are post speaker. The speakers are miced, sent through a mixer, then sent out to different delays.
Eric did have quite an elaborate setup on stage with him. He had a rack with a mixer and a few boxes underneath. Then he had 2 JBL powered speakers there for monitoring the output of the mixer. My son took a pic of the pedal board with his camera, so I will look and see what he had now that I know what he was doing with the speaker and rack mounted processors. Personally, I am using a Crate V-32 palomino all tube class-a amp. I set it up clean and go into it with a Digitech GNX-2 multi-effects. I gave up on effects loops on tube amps years ago because I would set up a nice clean sound, then switch to overdrive and BAM....it overdrives the effects. So, then you turn down the input to the effects for the overdrive and you can't hear the clean sounds. I just am wondering what other people are doing. I know for sure Joe had 2 boss delays, the smaller white ones, on his pedal board. I know how bad this sounds when you send it into a distorted preamp, thus this is the reason I started this thread. He also had a boss ds-1 distortion, so I suppose it's possible he uses the ds1 into the delay then into a clean channel of the amp. Eric seems to have it down. He uses 3(2 fenders and a marshall) amps, and now I know they are all miced and then comes the time based effects....Not something I could do at church... even if I could afford it, we are portable and meet at a highschool....never enough setup time for such a thing......~Shawn
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Eric Johnson goes a step farther...all his echo effects (except his echoplex, though I don't think he's still using it) are post speaker. The speakers are miced, sent through a mixer, then sent out to different delays.
Eddie Van Halen did something similar as well; he ran his Marshall into a dummy load, then ran the out into all his effects like delay, flanger, etc. Then he ran that into a seperate power amp, making the Marshall more like a preamp for the whole signal.
It's a really good way of doing it if you like power tube distortion.