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So, I've been looking for ways to simulate a guitar cab from my amp's line out. Reason being that I want to start running my rig though the board, but am trying to avoid micing, because I want to keep the amp levels low, and isolating them isn't much of an option.
There are DI's with a cab sim...
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ors?sku=150934
But I was messing around with some EQ solutions on my computer, and here's what I came up with. I mic'd my amp yesterday, and simultaneously ran the line out into the mixer, panning left and right so I could seperate them. After recoridng and seperating, I messed with EQ to see how close of a speaker sim I could get, and so I finally ended up a low cut at 120Hz, hi cut at 4kHz, and adding lower mids so I had a bump going from 100Hz to 1kHz.
So what I was thinking is that I could possibly use a 2 channel rackmount EQ (2 electric guitars, using one channel per guitar), which could work as well and be more flexible than the DI cab sims. Any ideas for EQs that have the cutting capabilities I want? And I'm looking for under $100.
Attatched are 3 clips, one is the mic'd clip, the other the direct clip, the last the direct clip with the cab simulation I described.
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Nice EQ'ing Jon. The line in sounded extremely hissy and had sucked tone. The EQ'ing made it much better.
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Originally Posted by Building429_Boy Nice EQ'ing Jon. The line in sounded extremely hissy and had sucked tone. The EQ'ing made it much better.
That's why guitar speakers are important. The EQ is just trying to copy what a speaker does.
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Originally Posted by Rainer. That's why guitar speakers are important. The EQ is just trying to copy what a speaker does.
Have you thought about getting a desktop modeler? You can pick up used V Amp2's, J-stations and others for under 100 on ebay. Im not sure about the others but I think its typical for them to have separate amp and cab sims like my J-Station; you can chose "direct" for the amp type and then use only the cab sim. Theoretically, a speaker does more than just an eq sculpt; it will add its own type of compression. If you don't have one, they are really handy for a lot of things, including headphone practice, recording without SPL's, and the hassle of mic'ing. The effects in the J Station are excellent, its capable of some great electric tones, its known as one of the better Bass amp modelers (it has 4 or 5 Bass amp and cab models). The Achilles heel of the J-S, and from what I read, most modelers is the edge-of-distortion tones, but OD, and distortion tones are pretty good, at least a few of the amp and speaker models are. I have a Vox Tonelab on the way, yippee...
I don't hear about guys doing this, but you can run pedals and other effects into a modeler just like an amp, like an OD pedal into a clean-ish model. Varying the input level into it is similar to doing that with an amp - changing its saturation, etc. You can also run one modeler into another. For the purpose of rough-editing the patches on my GENX2 for live amp use (no modeling, just FX), I ran it into the input of the J-S with that set as close to how my amp is as I could. You can use the amp model of one, then the speaker model of another...
But anyway, you could run the line out from your amp into a modeler with the amp model off, and one of the speaker models on.
My 2 cents...
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Good idea, but I'm really liking the idea of having the bonus of having a good EQ that I can also use as speaker sim. Though theoretically a speaker does way more than just EQ, this is a live situation, so it's not that important for the compression or such to occur, I just need to sim the high attentuation, and a little shaping.
Also, another thing that's making me lean towards EQs is the fact that I can run both my amp and the other guitarist's amp through one stereo unit. We have a Hot Rod DeVille, Yamaha T50C, and Yamaha JX40 up on stage, and all three of us guitarists basically run our guitars straight to our amps. All I'd be using this for guitar-wise is to speaker sim on stage.
In other words, yeah, there are good speaker sims out there, but I want to see if I can use an EQ.
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Originally Posted by Rainer. Good idea, but I'm really liking the idea of having the bonus of having a good EQ that I can also use as speaker sim. Though theoretically a speaker does way more than just EQ, this is a live situation, so it's not that important for the compression or such to occur, I just need to sim the high attentuation, and a little shaping.
Also, another thing that's making me lean towards EQs is the fact that I can run both my amp and the other guitarist's amp through one stereo unit. We have a Hot Rod DeVille, Yamaha T50C, and Yamaha JX40 up on stage, and all three of us guitarists basically run our guitars straight to our amps. All I'd be using this for guitar-wise is to speaker sim on stage.
In other words, yeah, there are good speaker sims out there, but I want to see if I can use an EQ.
I see, young Dr. Frankenstein. You might check out ebay, craiglist, local trader mags, there's all kinds of stereo 15 +15 band eq's out there that have been made over the years. I have an old DOD that I picked up years ago for 50 bux or whatever that I used in my PA rack. Not a bad piece of general purpose equipment to own.
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Originally Posted by Major Tom I see, young Dr. Frankenstein. You might check out ebay, craiglist, local trader mags, there's all kinds of stereo 15 +15 band eq's out there that have been made over the years. I have an old DOD that I picked up years ago for 50 bux or whatever that I used in my PA rack. Not a bad piece of general purpose equipment to own.
Yeah I saw a 31-Band Rack EQ for $50 here on CL.
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Originally Posted by Building429_Boy Yeah I saw a 31-Band Rack EQ for $50 here on CL. dude! that's crazy! to bad i don't need one yet.
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I found it relisted here.