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Is there a whole lot of this? You know, where you run about 10 different guitars thru the same amp, and only 1 or 2 sound really good on it?
I didnt notice it for myself untill I tried running some bc Rich's, some strats, and a les Paul thru a crate palomino. They all sounded bad...like just plain horrible.
But I ran some schecters thru the same amp, and they all sounded reall nice. Like, that guitar, and that amp were meant to be played together.
Are situations like that common when pairing up guitar-to-amp combinations?
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Originally Posted by demon_hunter Are situations like that common when pairing up guitar-to-amp combinations? yes and no...there's not really any bad tones, just tones that aren't fitting...that being said, i'd be bold enough to say that a decent guitar will evoke a good sound through any decent amp. However, this doesn't come just from "plugging in". Right now my Hot Rod Deluxe is EQ'd for my Squier Telecaster (P-90s)...the EQing would be similar to my Jagstang or my Strat as well, but if I were to plug in a Les Paul (which has less natural highs IMO) i'd have to change the EQ to get a good tone from it.
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Originally Posted by demon_hunter Is there a whole lot of this? You know, where you run about 10 different guitars thru the same amp, and only 1 or 2 sound really good on it?
I didnt notice it for myself untill I tried running some bc Rich's, some strats, and a les Paul thru a crate palomino. They all sounded bad...like just plain horrible.
But I ran some schecters thru the same amp, and they all sounded reall nice. Like, that guitar, and that amp were meant to be played together.
Are situations like that common when pairing up guitar-to-amp combinations?
Maybe the fact that the Schecter pwns the other guitars?
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I think it's all just personal preference. Certain guitar/amp combos are preferred by some people and not by others. Like the LP thru the Crate probably just wasn;t your preference, not to mention you probably didn't spend much time adjusting it.
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I have a Epiphone Les Paul that sounds awesome on any amp I use. From my crate GX15 to my Mesa Triple Rectifier. I've also never used anything but a Les Paul and Explorers. Well, I have a Gibson flying v but it's my backup. It still sounds good through all my amps.
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There are some combos that sound better then others, however you also have to take EQ into account. For instance, when I got my new Carvin, I plugged it into my Traynor with the settings I used for my Parker. While it sounded better overall (being a much higher quality guitar), it wasn't that much better. It was only once I spent time adjusting the EQ that it started sounding incredibly good. The tone I get now is way better then it ever has been. Remember that when you try out guitars and amps. Don't just plug and play, take some time to play with the amps EQ, as well as the guitars volume and tone controls.
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Originally Posted by Building429_Boy Maybe the fact that the Schecter pwns the other guitars?
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Originally Posted by PianoMan There are some combos that sound better then others, however you also have to take EQ into account. For instance, when I got my new Carvin, I plugged it into my Traynor with the settings I used for my Parker. While it sounded better overall (being a much higher quality guitar), it wasn't that much better. It was only once I spent time adjusting the EQ that it started sounding incredibly good. The tone I get now is way better then it ever has been. Remember that when you try out guitars and amps. Don't just plug and play, take some time to play with the amps EQ, as well as the guitars volume and tone controls. Real wisdom there PianoMan . I have a lot of guitars and several amps, some combinations just sound better than others . For example my MTS half stack is set up and tubed quite hot and is pretty dark so my all maple older Carvins with the M22SD`s sound really clear and nice through it. The DC145 I have with C22`s and in a mahogany neck and body still sounds nice but is quite dark through that rig and will be muddy if you don`t re-EQ from one of the SD equipt all maple guitars. On the other hand my MTS combo is set up and tubed a little more mellow and brighter the 145 matches that amp well and sounds GREAT really fat and sweet but the older all maple guitars with M22SD`s can be a little thin and on the harsh side. It`s all about the combination, the amp,tubes, type of woods in the guitar, pickups,type and # of speakers type of cab ect all these have a major impact on tone. That is why if you are going shopping for an amp try to bring YOUR guitar or shopping for a guitar your amp if you can.
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My conclusion is, it does not speak well for the Palomino amp. I wouldn't want to have to buy a guitar to have to match my amp. My amp should be more flexible than that. The purpose of the amp is "amplify" the string signal and process it into an audible signal. A good amp should augment the guitar's signal, not make it worse. I think the match with the Schecter is probably a fluke. Think about it - would you want to get rid of your guitar collection for a Schecter to match a Palomino or any other amp for that matter? Not me. My gear should match my playing styles.
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Originally Posted by Hopeful My conclusion is, it does not speak well for the Palomino amp. I wouldn't want to have to buy a guitar to have to match my amp. My amp should be more flexible than that. The purpose of the amp is "amplify" the string signal and process it into an audible signal. A good amp should augment the guitar's signal, not make it worse. I think the match with the Schecter is probably a fluke. Think about it - would you want to get rid of your guitar collection for a Schecter to match a Palomino or any other amp for that matter? Not me. My gear should match my playing styles. true...if it truly is the amp, then it doesn't say good things about it...
but when i test drove my Squier Telecaster Custom II, it was through a Crate Palo and it sounded amazing...maybe better than my HRDlx. I'm willing to bet with a little bit of time and tweaking it could've been EQ'd to handle all of those instruments.
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When I got my Schecter the only amps the place had were crates. The guitar sounded great though them (Good enough for me to decide to get it) but when I brought it home and put it through my Behringer GMX212 it sounded a lot better. Then I tried it through my Dads Marshall and it sounded still better. But of course that could be just personal oppinion. I imagine you can get good sounds out of pretty much any decent guitar/amp combonation.
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Originally Posted by thesteve true...if it truly is the amp, then it doesn't say good things about it...
but when i test drove my Squier Telecaster Custom II, it was through a Crate Palo and it sounded amazing...maybe better than my HRDlx. I'm willing to bet with a little bit of time and tweaking it could've been EQ'd to handle all of those instruments. Yep set up can make a BIG difference. My Fender Prosonic is no longer produced and was a sales flop for Fender. What`s amazing is the fact that IMO these are some of the best sounding amps ever built by anyone. Expensive at $1995 for a 2/10 60 watt combo you say-- yep a little. But have you looked at the prices on a Marshall TSL combo lately ?? How about a Boogie Mark ?? What killed the Prosonic was most folks walked up dimed the controlls and slammed into it --YUCK!! The Prosonic has active controlls most of the time all my controlls are well below 5 with the gain at about 3.5 or so on both controlls ( these things have MEGA GAIN so moderation is crucal !!!) . These go into boost on the tone controlls at 5 or above so 5 is what you normally see in a regular amp at 10. Once you understand less is more these things will amaze you but most just walked up dimed the controlls hated the tones and walked away. If folks took the time to tweek the amps a little or had a savy sales rep you usually saw them fall in love with the things.
Take time to work with an unfamiliar amp a little before you discount it you may be pleasently surprised what you find.
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Yes, but there are some amps that sound good the minute you power it up, like my Fender Bandmaster Reverb, or say a Speedster, or Traynor. So, does that mean that the amp is better than one that makes some guitars sound bad? Maybe. For example, my Heritage started to sound great to me when I got my Traynor. But, the Traynor also made all my other guitars sound good, taking into account the various differences in the guitars. You can EQ it to your taste but to me, a good amp adds a certain "bigness" or fullness that makes me go "Ahhhhh, this is it!"
I also want to comment on why the Prosonic may not have been successful. In the '60's, clean sounds were greatly desired and amp breakup was undesirable. With that amp being overdriven at low volumes, it was considered a bad thing. That kind of thinking continued even into the '70's, until people realized that the overdriven sound was actually desirable, especially since the British invasion and blues players were making good use of it.
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Originally Posted by Hopeful Yes, but there are some amps that sound good the minute you power it up, like my Fender Bandmaster Reverb, or say a Speedster, or Traynor. So, does that mean that the amp is better than one that makes some guitars sound bad? Maybe. For example, my Heritage started to sound great to me when I got my Traynor. But, the Traynor also made all my other guitars sound good, taking into account the various differences in the guitars. You can EQ it to your taste but to me, a good amp adds a certain "bigness" or fullness that makes me go "Ahhhhh, this is it!" very true. I think the only way to really test the idea is to play the guitar on that single Crate amp, then try some other Crate amps to see if it's a manufacturer issue or if the amp was just a dud...you'd also have to play those guitars through other companies' amps as well I also want to comment on why the Prosonic may not have been successful. In the '60's, clean sounds were greatly desired and amp breakup was undesirable. With that amp being overdriven at low volumes, it was considered a bad thing. That kind of thinking continued even into the '70's, until people realized that the overdriven sound was actually desirable, especially since the British invasion and blues players were making good use of it. Is the Prosonic that old? I'm only familiar with the 1995 and newer models...I didn't know it was actually a reissue.
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Originally Posted by thesteve I'm only familiar with the 1995 and newer models...I didn't know it was actually a reissue.
You're right. Sorry folks, I don't know what amp I was thinking about - it's late. Therefore, I'm going to bed now! Goodnight!