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Hello everyone. My names Matt and I've been playing guitar for about four years now and want to step up in both the guitar and amp.
Now as far as amp's go I have this silly little starter peavey amp that isn't cutting it for me anymore. So I've gained an idea that a Fender Super Reverb is for me ( mostly because a guitar virtuoso I've seen live uses it)...but I played a Deville and fell in love with it. SO I was wondering if there was like a huge difference I can't see that I need to be pointed out because I am both not amp savy and blind with love.
THe guitar situation is quite different. I've got a ton of medicore guitars.( that I might be looking to get rid of but thats for another forum)... and want to step up and get a wicked cool guitar thats beautiful to look at and sounds wonderful. I've had this idea of flirting with the fender baritone Jaguar but never played it and probablay never will because all the stores by me just dont have it..... They do however have Guilds now I like these look and sounds but the cost is posssibly double that of the fender baritone jag...
So my questions are;
which should I get first ?
what do you know about what I want to get and are there any other suggestions I've overlooked? ( For Example; Don't be stupid you should get a pig nose, after all they are soo cute)
not that I will be able to get them both today or tomorrow but this will soon be a reality for me. Thank you and Goodnight
one last question though
How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man ?
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the difference between a Super Reverb and a Deville is probably going to be like night and day and preference is going to be by needs. Personally, I'd probably go with the Super Reverb, but part of that recommendation is the vintage junkie in me coming out.
definitely try out alot of amps with the guitars you have now...and with the guitars you think you might want to get because different guitars are going to interact differently with different amps, that's just the way it is. i know this isn't the forum for it, but what is the upgradability of your guitars? That is, are they just not that great, or are there parts that could be upgraded to make them much better?
I personally adhere to the idea that your amp is going to affect your tone more than your guitar...that is a mediocre guitar through a good amp will sound better than a good guitar through a mediocre amp.
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oh bother, just go get a Zachary, and a Line6!!!
Bobby
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now as for upgrading my guitars..I just dont want to upgrade them cause their nothing special.
I've got a peavy raptor plus ( my first guitar that I love just have outgrown it)
The Epiphone Junior ( I liked junior guitars at the time and wanted it)
A knockoff Rickenbacker ( i know it's not how its spelled but there is no brand on my knockoff)
A Danelectro reissue U2
A Jackson guitar ( unsure of model )
The acoustics I like as they are.
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actually it looks like you've got the makings of some potentially great guitars in there...unless they're just junk. I've heard good things about the Dano U2s and the Peavey Raptor +. I don't know much about Jacksons except that some are good and others aren't.
anyway, what type(s) of music are you looking at playing here? do you want a well rounded setup, or just something for particular style(s)?
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My first real amp was a late 60's/early 70's Slverface Super Reverb (no master vol.). I decided to go the separate head & cab route for some reason, using 2x12 and 1x12 cabs and various amps over the years, but I never forgot how much I liked the impact of that Super. There's a certain mojo in a 4x10 open back config - the dispersion is narrower from the 4x config so it throws the sound further, so its more focused 20, 30, 50 feet back. There's a lot of bottom end whump, and the 10's have a bit off extended high range... Players either like 'em or they don't. Anyway, after playing in gigging bands off an on over the years, I decided to go back to a combo and I got the HR Deville 4x10 'cause I liked that 4x10 vibe. IMHO, the clean channel is very close to a Super Reverb's tone, but it also has the Drive (higher gain) channel, footswitchable, so I'd have to say the Deville is more versatile. Its also a bit smaller and lighter. The down side of either one of those amps is that they are loud with a capital L ! Much louder than the same wattage amp thru a single 12, and probably a 2x12. I really never got to turn that bad boy up to where it sounded good, except at a few outdoor gigs we played. Ironically, it was when I was no longer playing in a band that I started using a power attenuator with it - a need that arose from the stringent low-volume demands of P & W music. I also did a couple switchable voicing mods on mine for a little more versatility..
I would highly recommend the Deville series for Fender-tone amps - good tone, economical. Not really suited for mondo high gain stuff - better to go with a Marshall or Boogie for that. I would also recommend substituting a 12AT7 in V2 for the stock 12AX7 tube; it lowers the saturation a bit so that its cleaner at the lower gain settings, and makes the Master volume control less touchy and easier to dial in. That way it kinda picks up where the clean channel leaves off. Unfortunately, mine is gathering dust in the basement, since our church moved out of the 650-seat H.S. auditoreum and into a 250-seat church building... In the real world, you are probably better off going with the HR Deluxe because of the single 12 - not as loud.
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acutally my peavey raptor plus is a starter guitar...other peavey things are good this however I feel will strictly be a starter guitar. I want a setup that's got a lot of tone and possibilties because of the music I am getting into ( Jazz, blues,surf, and than rock type stuff). I'm pretty set on getting something like a guild because it's a hollowbody.
As for you major tom what is a power attenuator ? i'm guessing it's a pedal....that lowers the signal to the amp without compromising tone...? as for mondo high gain stuff...do you mean like hardcore music ?
anyway thanks for the input everyone that has and to all that read this and have an opinion that didn't share...thanks anyway
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As for you major tom what is a power attenuator ? i'm guessing it's a pedal....that lowers the signal to the amp without compromising tone...? as for mondo high gain stuff...do you mean like hardcore music ?
No, a power attenuator "throws away" a selectable amount of an amp's speaker output - it lets you crank the amp up to where the tubes are working hard, but at a lower overall volume. Yeah, I mean hardcore stuff - like metal-ish tones.
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Originally Posted by Major Tom In the real world, you are probably better off going with the HR Deluxe because of the single 12 - not as loud.
I agree with Tom. I hav a Hot Rod Deluxe and can vouch for it's awesomeness. Great, vintage-y Fender clean, good overdrive for classic rock or blues.
-Nick
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Originally Posted by thesteve
I personally adhere to the idea that your amp is going to affect your tone more than your guitar...that is a mediocre guitar through a good amp will sound better than a good guitar through a mediocre amp.
Let me offer an alternative point of view... if your guitar is mediocre in its tone, feel, sustain, any aspect really... your amp will never really fix it. I think the amp, guitar and any fx need to be roughly the same quality level (hard to quantify, of course). If I had to choose one priority, I'd say save up for the 'best' guitar your conscience and circumstances can stand. You'll be playing it for many years and your hands and ears willl learn to get the best out of it, while amps come and go.
Whatever, good luck and play well for Him
1 Tim 6:6
SP
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while a good guitar is going to be better overall than a mediocre guitar, i think what you've said can work both ways across the sonic spectrum. sure there's alot of people for which amps "come and go" but there's also alot of people for which guitars do the same.
here's what was going through my mind when i made that post though, a high-end (MIA) Fender Strat, through a Marshall MG or AVT series amp is going to have good tone, but still retain alot of the brittle characteristics of both of those amps. On the other hand, a low/mid-range (MIM) Fender Strat (possibly upgraded) through a Marshall JTM45 or JCM 800 is going to be much more capable of getting that "Marshall Tone" because the amp is simply that much better in sound quality.
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I'd value the amp more than the guitar simply because it takes less cash to make a mediocre guitar (through upgrades) into a reasonably good guitar. It takes considerably more cash (usually) to "upgrade" an amp and it's significantly more difficult to do.
Nate
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Originally Posted by nate95366 I'd value the amp more than the guitar simply because it takes less cash to make a mediocre guitar (through upgrades) into a reasonably good guitar. It takes considerably more cash (usually) to "upgrade" an amp and it's significantly more difficult to do.
Nate
the only simple amp upgrade that i can think of off hand is a speaker swap. in many cases that'll go really far to improving tone.
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I definately think that the amp is more important.
I really like the Fender Hot Rod series, Maj. Tom and Nick have been touting for. They are wonderful amps. I'd also look at the Crate VC-50, if you can find one. They aren't made anymore, but you can find them on eBay or other places. I have one, and it's really, really nice.
I'd also reccomend buying new pickups, nut, ect. for your guitar. Hot-rodding it can really make a difference.