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First of all, I'm blown away by how much guitar amp have advanced. Aparrently, you can get more sound out of an amp than just that partically brand. There's all these electonic gadgets where you can imitate a Marshall or Mesa Boogie or Fender or others....
On top of all that, the effects are built in also.
All that brings me to this thought....
With all the sounds you can get out of the guitar, why is the speaker still jsut basically a woofer. Does electric guitar pickups able to produce high frequency above 3-4K? I think I saw one small company at NAMM that makes guitar amp with dual cone so it can produce the high.
Are there a selection of 12" dual cone I can use to replace my Fender Pro Reverb?
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Originally Posted by audiorat1 First of all, I'm blown away by how much guitar amp have advanced. Aparrently, you can get more sound out of an amp than just that partically brand. There's all these electonic gadgets where you can imitate a Marshall or Mesa Boogie or Fender or others....
On top of all that, the effects are built in also.
All that brings me to this thought....
With all the sounds you can get out of the guitar, why is the speaker still jsut basically a woofer. Does electric guitar pickups able to produce high frequency above 3-4K? I think I saw one small company at NAMM that makes guitar amp with dual cone so it can produce the high.
Are there a selection of 12" dual cone I can use to replace my Fender Pro Reverb?
umm... i don't know who told you that, but guitar speakers arn't 'woofers'. they do tend to roll off some of the high frequencies, but thats because amps can sound rather harsh without that roll off... especially tube distortion. the speaker shapes the sound, and it does so for a reason- tone.
thats why many suggest that if you are doing any type of amp emulation and then you go into the PA, you also have some sort of speaker or cab emulator to shape the sound the way a speaker does.
so, guitar speakers are basically just big speakers. they arn't woofers. bass amp speakers would more resemble woofers. its my guess that you wouldn't want one of these 'dual cone' speakers that would produce more highs... as that would typically just add in unneeded treble harshness. if your looking for a speaker upgrade, this is probably not the way to go.
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Distortion, tube or otherwise, is all in the higher frequencies, so guitar speakers do have to deal with them.
I don't know if you've noticed with folks you've played with, but have you ever experienced the volume war that can happen between a drummer and a guitarist?
The reason for that is that cymbals, the snares in a snare drum and guitar distortion are all smack-dab on top of each other frequency-wise. Drummer hits too hard, guitarist turns up, drummer hits harder, guitarist sets amp to "kill", drummer brings out "tree trunk" drumsticks... lather, rinse, repeat.
I knew of a band that forced their drummer to switch to lighter sticks, pretty much at gunpoint...
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Originally Posted by audiorat1 With all the sounds you can get out of the guitar, why is the speaker still jsut basically a woofer. Does electric guitar pickups able to produce high frequency above 3-4K? I think I saw one small company at NAMM that makes guitar amp with dual cone so it can produce the high.
Are there a selection of 12" dual cone I can use to replace my Fender Pro Reverb?
Guitar speakers are very carefully designed to create a great tone for the guitar, and the present speaker design now works quite well for guitars, and can reproduce many more frequencies then your average plain-ol' woofer (though guitar speakers are not woofers, as explained earlier). Some companies will put in the cones in their acoustic amps (and the other speakers in those are usually also very different then electric guitar amps), but very rarely will they be in electric amps.
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Let me see if I understand this correctly....
Guitar amps basically dictates what kind of sound it will be.
The speakers they use are like full range speaker without the high.
Those amp simulation that's built into the amp can never reproduce the original sound due to that amp cabinet itself.
If you get one of those pedal or rack that has amp programs then it's best to feed it through the house then back out to the monitors.
Ps, you can tell that I haven't looked at guitar amps in a while....like 20 yrs...
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Originally Posted by PacerX Distortion, tube or otherwise, is all in the higher frequencies, so guitar speakers do have to deal with them.
I don't know if you've noticed with folks you've played with, but have you ever experienced the volume war that can happen between a drummer and a guitarist?
The reason for that is that cymbals, the snares in a snare drum and guitar distortion are all smack-dab on top of each other frequency-wise. Drummer hits too hard, guitarist turns up, drummer hits harder, guitarist sets amp to "kill", drummer brings out "tree trunk" drumsticks... lather, rinse, repeat.
I knew of a band that forced their drummer to switch to lighter sticks, pretty much at gunpoint...
if we told my drummer to use lighter sticks he'd shatter them in three minutes...haha.
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Originally Posted by audiorat1 Let me see if I understand this correctly....
Guitar amps basically dictates what kind of sound it will be.
The speakers they use are like full range speaker without the high.
Those amp simulation that's built into the amp can never reproduce the original sound due to that amp cabinet itself.
If you get one of those pedal or rack that has amp programs then it's best to feed it through the house then back out to the monitors.
Ps, you can tell that I haven't looked at guitar amps in a while....like 20 yrs...
well, sort of. with 'amp modelers', many people recommend either running the pedal/floorboard/etc (that doesn't have speaker/cab modeling) though either 1) an actual guitar amp or 2) through some sort of speaker/cab simulator.
i'm sure some modeling amps have already dealt with this with speaker simulation for different amp models and such to simulate the sounds of the original with the speaker setup is currently has.
overall, however, there are 2 different types of speakers. those made to reproduce sound with accuracy and those used where accuracy of the original signal isn't needed... or even wanted. guitar speakers (for electric amps) fall under the 2nd catagory. (acoustic amp speakers usually fall under the 1st catagory, i think.) i don't know the details, but i've often heard that you usually want to match the speaker ratings closely with the amp ratings... maybe a bit higher. something like a 30w amp with a 35w speaker. when the speaker gets pushed close to its max, it will go into clipping. aka speaker distortion. i'm really no expert when it comes to this... i just know the basic concepts.
anyways... got on a tangent, i know. generally, it depends on what you need. speakers designed for accurate sound reproduction just don't belong in "real" guitar amps though. i can understand some modeling amps having them...
so, i, think i covered everything i wanted to... its getting a bit late and i'm behind on sleep as it is, so if it doesn't make sense, i'll get back to you later... and it i'm mindlessly babbling on (like this) about nothing in particular, then just ignore me
Tom