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im not sure if this is the place to put this question, but its the closest related topic...
anyways, i am the worship leader of a youth band in my church, and have been asked to lead worship at a certain event held every year by our youth group called skiriffic, which involves about 400+ kids from all around our rural area coming to a rally held outside of the church, and then heading to the ski hill.
the actual rally is being held in a large theatre outside of our church and I am having problems deciding how to deal with the sound issues that might arise. our youth group owns two 700 watt peavey speakers (450 RMS) and a 600 watt amp, but i don't think this is going to be sufficient at all.
my first real question is whether or not I should rent equipment. i've been given a budget of about 800 dollars for the music. the room is fairly large and seats about 450+, but it has great acoustics as it is a theatre. my second questions is: if i rent equipment, what should i rent? i am looking for something that has a lot of bass too, because this is a youth event, and we all know how us young people love our pumping bass.
so if anybody who has a greater understanding of sound equipment can help with this it would be greatly appreciated
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well power wise you'll probably be fine as long as the setup is good. do you already have mixers and stuff like that though? what exactly are you going to be using the sound system for amplifying?
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sorry for not explaining in more detail. we have: a behringer 28 channel mixer, and a yorkville 300 watt powered 6 channel mixer. we will be miking the drums with 6 mics through the power mixer along with another 400 watt amp to provide the power needed for the bass drum and running it directly into the soundboard to be controlled by the sound team. other than the drums, our band will consist of:
-a keyboardist who also does back up vocals
-a bassist
-an acoustic guitarist
-two electric guitarists
-two lead vocals
-percussionist (djembe, congos, bongos, etc.)
almost all of these will go through the system with the exception of most likely the bass guitar, and hopefully the two electrics will be separate as well. I have one 700 watt earth amp for one of the electrics, and im trying to borrow another from a guy in our church. the bassist has a 180 watt bass amp, so we'll see if he can get the power he needs when we get the room.
hopefully this was all of help to you, and didn't just confuse you.
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Buy a http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...se_pid/630506/
It's great. Really loud to.
Or what I would suggest, Buy a couple of small systems, and string them together.
And shouldn't a theater have a sound system?
That's my 50th of a dollar.
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mmm I dont know about that. 100 watts aint enough to properly cover 450 people. 600 should be OK if you go near to the max volume of the amp. 450 is quite serious amplifiying. You'll need to mic the drums
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No, I mant buy a couple of them then string them together.
It works for my band when we do concerts in a stadium.
We have four of the kustom one.
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first off. jjesusfreak, thanks for the idea but the money just isn't there for this. we already have a more powerful system, but im just not sure about it being sufficient for the room. and its funny that you mention the theatre must have a sound system. i laugh every year at it. they have something like 6000 watts for their two 70 watt speakers and monitors.. its a military base so their kind of weird like that. the speaker and monitors are both terrible quality so we have decided to avoid that all together.
second of all. dnl88, you had the answer i was kind of looking to get. whether or not 600 watts will be enough to power our show. we will have the drums miked, like i said before, through a 350 watt power mixer plus another amp as not to peak when the bass drum hits. 600 watts should be OK like you said, but im looking at maybe getting some rental equipment in order make it better than OK and perhaps even AMAZING. myself, i figured if i rented equipment i might need another 800-1000 watt amp, along with either one or two subwoofers. depending on the cost. see, im not really sure. so any more help would be great.
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yeah, from readnig through what you have i definitely think that if it's set up properly it'll be enough.
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Whoa! 6,000 watts?
Though it's probely not that much, it sounds like that's a big driver.
A cheap way that you could use that is to get some cheap cabs and hook it up to that. You could get plenty of speakers for 300 bucks.
By the way hope it turns out. Good Luck!
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When is it?
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Originally Posted by Jjesus Freak Whoa! 6,000 watts?
Though it's probely not that much, it sounds like that's a big driver.
A cheap way that you could use that is to get some cheap cabs and hook it up to that. You could get plenty of speakers for 300 bucks.
By the way hope it turns out. Good Luck!
yeah... 6000 watts is a lot... i wonder why they didn't invest in some good speakers to go with it... might be a good idea to avoid it, unless you know a good way to tap into the 6000 watts without blowing anything.
i would guess that the setup you have right now would work; it all depends on how good the equipment is, and how far you trust it. if there is a local music store that handles PAs and such that you trust, you could consult them about it, and see if what you could rent and what they would recommend.
something to keep in mind is that this is a theator... that will mean good accoustics - you won't need as much power for the amount of space... and also, lots of reverb. sound will be bouncing around everywhere - don't overdo it with too much excess sound.
one more thing - is there a way to be able to be able to do a test run with your current setup where this will be at? just an idea... if you could, this would be a great way to see if it would be enough.
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thank you all for your replies. so far your information has been of great help. I have definately decided to avoid that 6000 watts altogether because it is not owned by the church, and to hurt it would cost a lot of money. This event, Skiriffic, is held on February 11th, 2005. Im also hoping to get access to the building at least two days before it starts in order to sort out all the bugs, and make sure everything runs smoothly. I agree with your idea, tht00 and im going to see the manager of the building in order to see whether or not I can get access to the building with the sound equipment and give it a practice run.
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Sounds like an awesome event. Defintly do some renting and get at least two subs, they will love that. Probably need another 800watt amp to power them or you can get powered subs. We used yorkville Pulse powered subs for our event and it worked out pretty good.
Although you'll want biger subs then yorkvilles.
Your two peavey speakers are good, just add the subs and power and all should go well.
180bass watts for your bass guitarist should be sufficent in a theatre room.
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If you're playing loud and thumping music I doubt your bass player's 180 watt amp will be enough on its own to be up there with the rest of the instruments in a venue that large with subs.
I don't quite understand how you plan on using a seperate amp for the drums and even then a seperate amp for the bass drum...you can't have multiple amps running into the same two speakers. You've got 28 channels and the budget to properly amplify everything, so I don't recommend doing this piecemeal thing of using 6 different amps and whatever speakers you can find.
What kind of Peavey speakers are your mains? If they've each got more than one speaker in them then you should be fine using those, but if each one is a single 15" speaker then you'll probably need more than that.
Here's what I would do...Scrap the Yorkville powered mixer and use the 400 watt amp to power your monitors (*OR* Use the Yorkville to power one monitor mix and the other amp to power another...both mixes being taken from your main Behringer board from their own AUX sends). Pick up a Behringer EP1500 power amp for $300 at Musician's Friend and you've got a cheap and very reliable 1500 watts to power your main speakers that you already have (if they meet the requirements I listed earlier). You can bridge the amp and run your system in mono since the keyboards are the only thing that would possibly running in stereo. RENTAL... You NEED to have subs (two should be fine). Powered subs would be the most idiot-proof and have less parts to move. Also rent or borrow a crossover to put in front of your amps so the mains don't ever get the low frequency signals that your subs will be handling and the subs don't get the higher stuff. Rentals are not terribly expensive if you go to the right place. I was getting quotes on renting a system for an outdoor event with 500+ people and was quoted a system with 8 dual 15" mains, 6 18" subs, 6 monitors, 32 channel board, mics/stands/etc and all the amps to run it for only $1200 for an entire day. You should EASILY be able to get two powered subs or subs and amps and a crossover with the $500 you have left after getting that amp. Make sure you have a couple condenser mics for the percussionist and at least one overhead condenser mic for the drums...your church might have these for mic'ing the choir in your sanctuary. That only puts you at using 10 channels with the setup you described, so you should be fine. With that setup you can run EVERYTHING through the system in one board and not do all this submixing you were talking about.
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thank you Brent...
I took your advice and managed to find the best price at a sound equipment rental place near my town. Heres what I said I needed, I took your advice with the two subwoofers and they recommended two Yorkville SW1000 subwoofers along with a QSC EX4000 amp capable of powering both of the subs along with a little extra power. I also decided that I should rent a dBX Driverack PA Processor from them to control the crossover. Although we have the Behringer Soundboard at the church, the pastor told me it would be best to rent a soundboard as well, that way we wouldn't have to go through the struggle of unhooking the current soundboard and then putting it back together the same night. So I'm going to rent a Yamaha GA2412 Soundboard, and finally I figured a Snake would be a good thing, so i rented a Yorkville 24-4 Snake. Im planning on putting it together just like you said, and I might have a few other questions when I actually get the equipment. Altogther, for a 3 day rental of the equipment above, I will only have to pay out $470 canadian.