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Hey guys and gals,
Has anyone tried any of the Behringer effects pedals? I own a Behringer 32 channel digital mixer. I would put that thing up next to a mixer costing many times it's price. Matter of fact, anything I own or have used of theirs is quality way beyond it's price point. Now, I've been looking at some of their offerings analog stomp-wise, and wondering if that is the case with those as well?
~Shawn
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the sound quality is ok and they are made of plastic when he uses it it sound ok you can get better for a little more money.
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I hate to sound like a snob, but I'm not a fan. I have yet to come across anything by Behringer that is even remotely worth consideration. Maybe I just got the wrong numbers... 0.02$
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Originally Posted by omensixaxe I hate to sound like a snob, but I'm not a fan. I have yet to come across anything by Behringer that is even remotely worth consideration. Maybe I just got the wrong numbers... 0.02$
I've never played with any Behringer effects (except the V-Amp, and i hate all amp modlers for live sound). That being said...
To make a pedal that you can sell for 20$ and still make a profit, you have cut corners somewhere. But even if it's no better than the guitar gear walmart sells it's probably worth considering for beginers or people who are short on cash.
Most of their most recent line of clones are nearly identical to the originals, part for part. I've heard several good things about them over on www.diystompboxes.com.
I wouldn't buy one of their clones expecting it to sound EXACTLY like the orignal, but if there's a sound you want and don't feel like paying boss and/or EH prices, they're probably worth checking out. At the same time, since all the pedals are clones, if you can afford the orignal, I would probably recomend you get the orignal.
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Originally Posted by jbm222 To make a pedal that you can sell for 20$ and still make a profit, you have cut corners somewhere. And those corners CAN be simply cutting your profit margin, for one, and also having all your manufacturing done in the Orient. Behringer copies stuff...it's a known fact and one they like to act like they know nothing about, but it's obvious and true. Every single effects maker is making a huge profit as far as components go. Any given pedal doesn't have more than 10 bucks in it associated with parts...it's the labor that costs. After that it's all paying for a brand name and lining the pockets of the maker.
Behringer is probably charging the price that SHOULD be charged instead of what *can* be charged.
Omenisaxe: Nobody asked for anyone's opinion on *Behringer*. One can go anywhere and get a "Behringer sucks!" opinion from any given person (and usually uninformed ones...), but an opinion on the PEDALS are what was asked for...
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to omenisaxe's defence, i don't see how his opinion didn't help any. he simply thinks behringer isn't a company worth looking at, effects or noneffects.
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Originally Posted by Brent Every single effects maker is making a huge profit as far as components go. Any given pedal doesn't have more than 10 bucks in it associated with parts...it's the labor that costs. After that it's all paying for a brand name and lining the pockets of the maker.
Behringer is probably charging the price that SHOULD be charged instead of what *can* be charged.
I opened up my EchoPark because I was curious what was in it:
Motorola/Freescale DPS56364 $4.39 @ Qty of 1000+ when purchased direct - this is the brains of the effects.
ISSI IS62WV5128BLL High speed RAM. About 4$ from mouser.
Lots of surfacemount parts that are dirt cheap. 2 transformers/coils that probably total about $0.50. Four stereo switching jacks isolated from the case. I wouldn't be suprised if these things actually cost $25+ to make. And there were probably thousands of engineering hours that went into it.
The Behringer digital delay is supposed to retail for under 30$ (although I don't know if they're actually selling that one anywhere yet). Granted it doesn't have nearly as many features, they've got to be cutting costs by doing things like using sub standard quality capacitors, cheap casing, cheap jacks & pots, etc. Although they save big time in engineering costs since none of their designs are original.
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Originally Posted by jbm222 I opened up my EchoPark because I was curious what was in it:
Motorola/Freescale DPS56364 $4.39 @ Qty of 1000+ when purchased direct - this is the brains of the effects.
ISSI IS62WV5128BLL High speed RAM. About 4$ from mouser.
Lots of surfacemount parts that are dirt cheap. 2 transformers/coils that probably total about $0.50. Four stereo switching jacks isolated from the case. I wouldn't be suprised if these things actually cost $25+ to make. And there were probably thousands of engineering hours that went into it.
The Behringer digital delay is supposed to retail for under 30$ (although I don't know if they're actually selling that one anywhere yet). Granted it doesn't have nearly as many features, they've got to be cutting costs by doing things like using sub standard quality capacitors, cheap casing, cheap jacks & pots, etc. Although they save big time in engineering costs since none of their designs are original. what an insightful post. Thanks. You too, Brent.
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Originally Posted by jbm222 I opened up my EchoPark because I was curious what was in it:
Motorola/Freescale DPS56364 $4.39 @ Qty of 1000+ when purchased direct - this is the brains of the effects.
ISSI IS62WV5128BLL High speed RAM. About 4$ from mouser.
Lots of surfacemount parts that are dirt cheap. 2 transformers/coils that probably total about $0.50. Four stereo switching jacks isolated from the case. I wouldn't be suprised if these things actually cost $25+ to make. And there were probably thousands of engineering hours that went into it. Behringer probably isn't even paying HALF of those prices, if even that much. They're making in the tens of thousands of quantities and might even manufacture some of the parts themselves, so their costs are bound to be substantially lower. When most everything you make is a copy of some sort of another product I wouldn't think that nearly as many engineering hours are necessary as would be for an original product. Then again, copying a product and staying out of legal trouble might require more engineering than even a new product. But regardless of that, parts are cheaper than dirt when you manufacture the kind of quantities these big names do.
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Here's the thing...I look on ebay, and there are pedals being offered for rediculous prices. I own some Behringer products, and I know how good they are. The digital board I have, if it was a yamaha, would be five grand instead of six hundred. I'd be willing to bet that these pedals are in that same catagory...just wondered if anyone had experience with them....maybe I'll hafta get some and try them out. I could fill a pedal board twice for the price of 1 box.
~Shawn
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All apologies, I should have been more specific. My previous post was in reference to the Behringer line of stompboxes. The experience that I had with them was nothing to write home about, and in addition to my earlier experience with the V-amp line, I drew the conclusion that Behringer as a company was not for me. If I have misread the request, or the thread in general, don't hesitate to let me know.
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Originally Posted by omensixaxe All apologies, I should have been more specific. My previous post was in reference to the Behringer line of stompboxes. The experience that I had with them was nothing to write home about, and in addition to my earlier experience with the V-amp line, I drew the conclusion that Behringer as a company was not for me. If I have misread the request, or the thread in general, don't hesitate to let me know.
No apologies needed....you certainly are entitled to your opinion....peace!