Question:
Just so I don't have to try and get accross what I've already tryed to, I'm just going to paste a conversation I had online with a buddy to get things started...:
TheRCT3king [2:01 P.M.]: yo i need help
TheRCT3king [2:01 P.M.]: !
PROTECTED[2:01 P.M.]: ???
TheRCT3king [2:01 P.M.]: u've read fbl:se right?
PROTECTED[2:01 P.M.]: ?
TheRCT3king [2:02 P.M.]: (fretboard logic special edition)
PROTECTED[2:02 P.M.]: no
TheRCT3king [2:02 P.M.]: oh
TheRCT3king [2:02 P.M.]: well mabey u can still help
TheRCT3king [2:02 P.M.]: I am confused as to how u get a scale (such as A pentatonic) from a key, and from which key?
PROTECTED[2:02 P.M.]: from a key?
PROTECTED[2:03 P.M.]: that doesnt make sense
PROTECTED[2:03 P.M.]: how they create the scale?
TheRCT3king [2:03 P.M.]: yea
PROTECTED[2:03 P.M.]: they make the scale based on the notes within the key
PROTECTED[2:04 P.M.]: key of A would be A Bm, C#, D, E, F#, G#m, A
TheRCT3king [2:04 P.M.]: k
PROTECTED[2:04 P.M.]: then translate that onto the frets, with repetition and octaves it is made
TheRCT3king [2:04 P.M.]: ?
TheRCT3king [2:05 P.M.]: like how though?
TheRCT3king [2:05 P.M.]: like with open C scale
PROTECTED [2:05 P.M.]: u start on the A note of the 5th fret of the E string and go through that
TheRCT3king [2:05 P.M.]: it starts with an A
PROTECTED [2:05 P.M.]: open c scale is just a mode
TheRCT3king [2:05 P.M.]: well
TheRCT3king [2:05 P.M.]: I mean
PROTECTED[2:05 P.M.]: different modes start with different notes in the scale
TheRCT3king [2:06 P.M.]: o.0
TheRCT3king [2:07 P.M.]: ok
TheRCT3king [2:08 P.M.]: let's look at it like this
TheRCT3king [2:08 P.M.]: I have a open C chord, from that, I can extend out and make C scale
TheRCT3king [2:08 P.M.]: (though the chord comes from the scale)
TheRCT3king [2:08 P.M.]: now
TheRCT3king [2:08 P.M.]: how does C get it's name?
TheRCT3king [2:08 P.M.]: as it starts with A
PROTECTED[2:10 P.M.]: its a mode of the key of c
PROTECTED [2:10 P.M.]: it doesnt matter if it starts with a
PROTECTED [2:10 P.M.]: a is in the key of c
TheRCT3king [2:10 P.M.]: ?
TheRCT3king [2:10 P.M.]: then where's the name coming from?
TheRCT3king [2:10 P.M.]: for the scale and the key
TheRCT3king [2:10 P.M.]: ?
PROTECTED[2:12 P.M.]: look, its not an a
PROTECTED [2:12 P.M.]: its gonna be an actual A minor
PROTECTED[2:12 P.M.]: so therefore it would not be a key of a
TheRCT3king [2:12 P.M.]: uh?
PROTECTED [2:12 P.M.]: the key of g could start out with an Em in the scale, but because of the notes you are playing its still the key of g
TheRCT3king [2:13 P.M.]: where does the name come from for the scale of C and also it's key?
PROTECTED [2:13 P.M.]: from the root note
PROTECTED [2:13 P.M.]: the root note of the whole key is c
TheRCT3king [2:13 P.M.]: root being 1st degree of course
PROTECTED[2:13 P.M.]: same thing
TheRCT3king [2:13 P.M.]: yyea
just makeing sure
TheRCT3king [2:14 P.M.]: so it all stems from the 1st degree
PROTECTED[2:14 P.M.]: yes
TheRCT3king [2:14 P.M.]: no matter where the 1st degree is?
TheRCT3king [2:14 P.M.]: that works for scales, but what about keys?
PROTECTED [2:14 P.M.]: why would it matter where its at
TheRCT3king [2:14 P.M.]: where does the key get it's name?
PROTECTED [2:14 P.M.]: key is a set thing
PROTECTED[2:14 P.M.]: from the root note
PROTECTED [2:14 P.M.]: its the same thing
TheRCT3king [2:14 P.M.]: humm
PROTECTED [2:14 P.M.]: the key is a combination of 7 notes
TheRCT3king [2:14 P.M.]: then how does C key start with A?
PROTECTED [2:15 P.M.]: it doesnt
TheRCT3king [2:15 P.M.]: hold u[p, let me look at me book
PROTECTED[2:15 P.M.]: a mode of the scale starts with a
PROTECTED [2:15 P.M.]: look, im sorry, but u r being retarded, this is far too much discussion for 1 small musical thoery thing
pROTECTED [2:15 P.M.]: its not that hard
TheRCT3king [2:15 P.M.]: lol
TheRCT3king [2:15 P.M.]: sorry
(PROTECTED) [2:15 P.M.]: there are 7 notes in a key and a scale
TheRCT3king [2:16 P.M.]: I was remimbering something that wasn't there
TheRCT3king [2:16 P.M.]: lol
PROTECTED [2:16 P.M.]: it all depends whether its a major or minor
TheRCT3king [2:16 P.M.]: yea
TheRCT3king [2:16 P.M.]: weather u flat the 3rd or not
TheRCT3king [2:16 P.M.]: or sharp the 5th to get augmented
TheRCT3king [2:16 P.M.]: or flat the 3rd and 5th for diminished
TheRCT3king [2:17 P.M.]: I know the formulii
TheRCT3king [2:17 P.M.]: but i was just confused as to how u make a scale
TheRCT3king [2:17 P.M.]: and still am...
TheRCT3king [2:17 P.M.]: I mean, how did they come up with like pentatonic C in the open paision?
TheRCT3king [2:18 P.M.]: is there a formula for it or something?
PROTECTEDsigned off at 2:18 P.M.
You see, my bigest thing is I don't get how to make a scale from a key. I know how to make a chord from key... but scales? Is there a formula or something? I AM SO CONFUSED :fryedbrain: :sparksbrain:
(I have FBL:SE, so...)
Answer:
Whole step, whole step, half step, whole step, whole step, whole step, half step or WWHWWWH for short. The formula for all major scales.
Answer:
Like MJ_Avalanche said, it is the WWHWWWH. Demonstration:
Here's a chromatic scale (all of the notes) and I'll start on C:
C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C
A half step is simply the next note; a whole step is 2.
So, the root is C, so going up a whole step, we get D; another whole step, E; half step, F (and so on, until the pattern is completed). It shoud look something like this:
C D E F G A B C
Thats a C major scale. Go ahead and try it on paper yourself.
How about key of G (G major scale)?
G A B C D E F# G
This can be continued to any starting note and this pattern holds true for them all. This help any?
Answer:
MJ_Avalanche and tht00 are right on. I find it helpful to look on the piano when I get stuck with scales. If you have a keyboard, or piano handy, you can see the major progression, WWHWWWH, and how it relates to the keys. Minor scales are different.
For information on minor scales please check out this thread: /forum...ad.php?t=96670
BTW, there are about 12 different kinds of scales, but the most common ones are the major and minor scales. You probably don't need to know all of them if you just want to play contemporary music on the guitar or piano, but if you get into classical music, you will probably want to learn all of them.
Knowing your scales is very useful in reading unusual chords. For example, C2 is a Cmaj chord with the 2nd degree of the major scale added to the chord, and the second degree of Cmaj is D. Csus4 adds the 4th degree of the scale, or F.
Then Cadd#4 would be C with an added sharped 4th, or F sharp
Dose this help at all?
--Ruth