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Anybody familiar with this?
It has been a hot topic in my household & I am not quite sure what it all means?
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It means people want to do different things, but that doesn't fly with denominations, who want to do the same things, so they had to leave and think of a name for themselves.
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http://emergingchurch.info/reflectio...bsby/index.htm


Go...read...decide for yourself.
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Originally Posted by wojdude Anybody familiar with this?
It has been a hot topic in my household & I am not quite sure what it all means?
http://gty.org/resources.php?section...les&aid=231551
http://gty.org/resources.php?section...les&aid=231552
http://gty.org/resources.php?section...les&aid=231576
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Originally Posted by Jaymze13 http://gty.org/resources.php?section...les&aid=231551
http://gty.org/resources.php?section...les&aid=231552
http://gty.org/resources.php?section...les&aid=231576 Part 1 didn't seem like a very good article. It makes it seem like the entire "Emerging Church" is full of neo-post modern-liberals...which is absurd. It has John MacArthur's typical, "I've got everything figured out" attitude.
The second article makes some clear distinctions between the "Emerging Church," a more broad term, and "The Emergent Church," the liberal stream of the "Emerging Church."
The third article seems to be little more than an attack Mark Driscoll for his bad mouth. Its true that Driscoll is infamous for using cuss words, sarcasim, delibrately being shocking and speaking bluntly about taboo subjects. MacArthur uses Driscoll as an example of why we shouldn't be immersed in culture. The problem is that MacArthur's critiques are really just value and generational differences. At the heart of the matter is that Driscoll is comfortable with cuss words and speaking frankly about masturbation, porn and porn stars (a member of his church is a former porn star who converted) while MacArthur isn't.
You need only look to this message board to realize that many young Christians are comfortable with cussing and find the idea of making lists of words you can't say absurd and obviously unbiblical. Further, many people, such as myself, would blame MacArthur (and others) hands off approach to discussing topics such as masturbation and porn as one of the main reasons they've completely exploded in our culture. Since we never talk about it and always treat it with utter disgust, those who suffer with it feel an unhealthy level of guilt and shame which doesn't come from the Holy Spirit from the desire to not get caught. Driscol treats masturbation as a sin that people deal with. He doesn't put it in a special category of super-dooper evil sins we shouldn't talk about.
Finally, even if MacArthur is right and Driscolls speach is too inappropriate (sometimes it is and he's apologized for such occasions), that still doesn't undermine his thinking. Martin Luther was notorious for his flaming heated speech. He was also an anti-semite who wrote an article called "The Jews and their Lies." Maybe I've missed it but I don't know of where MacArthur attempted to throw out Luthers contributions or claim Luther was too immersed in culture. It seems that MacArthur is holding living saints to different standards than dead saints.
In both of MacArthur's articles he essentially poisons the well for the reader. Instead of clearly presenting the opposing sides arguments and refuting those arguments, he immediatley goes straight into telling you how heretical or crude they are. By the time he actually says something of substance, he's already already poisoned your perspective. This is a very effective way to trick people into opposing something. It is not an effective way to educate people, allow them to discern for themselves or even let the facts/arguments speak for themselves.
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The wikipedia article covers most of the key distinctives of emerging thinkers and churches. They have a long list of distincties. Be sure to realize that not all emerging churches/thinkers will embrace each of these distinctives. There is great variety in this movement. On that note, they also have a good paragraph on the distinction between "emerging" and "emergent."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerging_church
If you want to read a book on the theological beliefs of emerging thinkers
Check out: "Listening to the Beliefs of the Emerging Church: Five Perspectives."
If you want a book on what emerging worship services look like
Check out: Dan Kimball's "The Emerging Church: Vintage Christianity for New Generations."
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Sean -- thanks for your well-balanced, thoughtful critique of the three articles. I agreed with your take on just about every issue you mentioned.
The thing that bothered me most about the third article is the assumption that one person's actions, views and values represents and entire movement -- which is entirely off-base. These articles do very little in helping create an environment where healthy dialogue is promoted in order to build up the entire Body of Christ. Instead, it is accusatory in nature and filled with straw-man arguments.
While I personally don't fully embrace the emerging church movement in its entirety, the more I spend time reading and interacting with the movement the more I appreciate the heart of much of what they are passionate about (things like holistic faith, social justice, spirituality, etc.).
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I think MacArthur and men like him have some pretty clear things to say about issues like this. That's just me. I'm sure I would be in the minority in this thread on probably on the board in general, but this movement disturbs me a little. I'll just leave it at that too if you please.
Sean, maybe if you and I really do wind up in Austin in July we could discuss it over some Mexican and a cold Coke. In my adult life I've only been through Austin and have never stopped for anything except traffic on 35.
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Originally Posted by Jaymze13 I think MacArthur and men like him have some pretty clear things to say about issues like this. I would like to be able to agree with you, but when he makes sweeping generalizations about movement which aren't actually true of the entire movement, it indicates he doesn't really know what he's talking about.
That's just me. I'm sure I would be in the minority in this thread on probably on the board in general, but this movement disturbs me a little. I'll just leave it at that too if you please. I can certainly see how the emergent side would be disturbing, but without knowing where you're coming form, I don't see how the non-emergent side is disturbing.
Sean, maybe if you and I really do wind up in Austin in July we could discuss it over some Mexican and a cold Coke. In my adult life I've only been through Austin and have never stopped for anything except traffic on 35. Sounds good.
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Jerry Falwell spoke on the Emerging Church the other day.
The thing that disturbed me is that they don't use the word Jesus during service because it might offend a non-believer.
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Originally Posted by Adam K Jerry Falwell spoke on the Emerging Church the other day.
The thing that disturbed me is that they don't use the word Jesus during service because it might offend a non-believer. Hahahahaha. I really hope you're either making a joke or picking on Falwell.
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Originally Posted by Sean Hahahahaha. I really hope you're either making a joke or picking on Falwell.
Well, I'm picking on Falwell, but I don't think their motive for not using Christ's name is right.
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Originally Posted by Adam K Well, I'm picking on Falwell, but I don't think their motive for not using Christ's name is right. Anyone claiming "The Emerging Church" doesn't use Jesus name as to avoid offending people is a moron who doesn't know what they're talking about and needs a lesson in how to more effectively generalize.
Do some Emerging Churches avoid using Jesus name? Sure. I'm sure you can find one somewhere. However, that's hardly the norm, and that idea doesn't at all fit in with any of the values I've seen "emerging churches" hold to. On the contrary, whether liberal (Brian McLaren), moderate (Dan Kimball) or conservative (Mark Driscoll), all sides of the "emerging church" seem to embrace Christ very openly. McLaren and Kimball have written books with Jesus name in the title. Driscoll certainly isn't shy about mentioning Jesus name.
Falwell's claims simply aren't supported by the facts. He appears to know about as much about the "emerging church" as I know about calculus...and all I know about calculus is that it's really hard math.
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Originally Posted by Sean Falwell's claims simply aren't supported by the facts. He appears to know about as much about the "emerging church" as I know about calculus...and all I know about calculus is that it's really hard math.
That's what I was wondering.
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The emerging church is a self-admitted post-modern church, and that just doesn't fly with me.